Using an analogy especially interesting to me as an historical linguist, Sabio Lantz at Triangulations reminds us of the power of understanding that the Christian faith isn’t quite as unique as we all like to think:

We often see that naive mono-linguists think their language is unique in its ability to express deep thoughts. Well of course they do — they have never mastered another language. A good way to cure this parochial blindness is to do comparative studies. Using comparative linguistics researchers have learned more about the very nature of language than by studying any one language in depth.

He draws a correlation (the same one I drew a while back) between comparative linguistics, which shows that the Indo-European languages are related by a common source language, and comparative biology, which shows us that all life is related by a common ancestor. He goes on:

I feel that religious folks who have never thoroughly understood another religion are handicapped in a similar way to mono-linguists. And no matter how deep they dive into their religion, no matter how thoroughly they know their religious history, their scriptures original language(s) or the intricacies of their religion’s theologies, it will be the rare person who will see the deep patterns of all human religious thought.

Sabio suggests that just as “[i]t is by comparative religious studies that people can see how much their religion shares with other religions,” so also “[d]oing comparative studies helps people to see the nature of human hearts which generates their faiths.”

Despite the fears of many Christians, acknowledging such similiarities does not itself undermine the validity of Christianity. In fact, C.S. Lewis argued that certain universal similiarities such as shared mythological themes are to be expected. In his essay “Myth Became Fact”, he remarked that he would be more troubled if Christianity did not correspond to universal ideas in mythology, even in specific motifs such as “dying god” imagery:

We must not be ashamed of the mythical radiance resting on our theology. We must not be nervous about ‘parallels’ and ‘Pagan Christs’: they ought to be there—it would be a stumbling block, if they weren’t.

To be clear, this is not Sabio’s point. As a former Christian, he does indeed believe that the universality of Christian themes that contradicts Christianity’s typical claims of exclusivity should lead one to the conclusion that Christianity is superfluous as a whole. I disagree. But such claims of exclusivity are indeed overwrought and largely based upon the belief in an inerrant source of all knowing. I don’t think Christianity is even fundamentally about holding onto various and sundry truth claims, but about surrendering my being to God in Christ.

Like Sabio, I am uncomfortable with the type of Christianity that maintains that all necessary truth lies exclusively within the pages of the Bible. The biggest problem is that this philosophy has a tendency to undervalue truth in a tragic way. This type of person has been caricatured in the character of Ned Flanders, who forgets to live life in a way that’s at all relevant to the world God made. Although most inerrantists would not maintain that literally all truth is in the Bible, they would say that all truth necessary for salvation is in there. This, then, is typically construed as a stamp of authenticity on the entirety of the claims of Scripture, resulting in the nonsensical demotion of other valid pursuits of truth when they conflict with something in the Bible. Clear example: the evolution/creation debate. Another difficulty resulting from this is responsible for an old habit of my own in which ethical insights from other systems are eyed distrustfully as possibly being somehow “worldly” if they are not presented in the Bible, without looking at their intrinsic merit.

I’m not saying that the Bible is all “derivative”; no one could seriously believe that it’s not got something unique to bring to the table. What I’m asking is that we Christians begin to see that “not in scripture” and “unscriptural” don’t necessarily equate to evil, wordly, or useless. I continue to affirm by my personal faith that Christ (not the Bible) is the fundamental expression of God to humanity. But God’s truth is reality, and so permeates the universe in ways not able to be contained in a single book. Defenders of the Bible through inerrancy who see themselves as the guardians of God’s truth are limiting God’s reign and authority over all extrabiblical reality by subjugating it all to their interpretations of Scripture.

Whatever is true is true whether or not the Bible says it — whether or not it even agrees with it. If believing the truth is so important, shouldn’t we concern ourselves first with seeking out truth rather than defending what we already believe?

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  • As a former Christian, he does indeed believe that the universality of Christian themes that contradicts Christianity’s typical claims of exclusivity should lead one to the conclusion that Christianity is superfluous as a whole. I disagree.


    You state my position incorrectly. All I claim is that seeing the universality of insights help take weight out of arguments by SOME Christians that the truth is uniquely theirs. (As your essay agrees)

    It also illustrates the likelihood that humans make stories and not gods.

    But I do not say that Christianity is superfluous as a whole. Parts of Christianity (and Buddhism and Islam) have great value. You should be careful to not classify me as an atheist who reject religion as having no value.
    [I am just going to slap this here rather than trying to figure out where through the layers of heirarchy of comments to put it. ;-) )
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Ganesh =-.
  • Sabio,
    I certainly had no interest in mischaracterizing you, so I apologize if you think I did. In point of fact, I think that, if anything, my mistake was in stating unclearly what I think is my mostly accurate understanding of your position.

    You argued in your post that you think that engaging comparative religious studies is a preferable first step at deconstructing the notion that Christianity has appreciable claims to unique truth over outright attacks on the Bible. If I am correct that you think your own position is the reasonable endpoint for such inquiry into comparative religions, I stand by my statement that you think it should lead one to the conclusion (not "prove") that Christianity's not particularly essential and can be dispatched without consequence, because its good teachings are taught elsewhere: this is what I meant by "superfluous", which by definition is unnecessary. I apologize if this is still not quite right.

    I am indeed glad that you think there is value in religion, as I gathered from your comments here on earlier posts. I appreciate your irenic tone and your determination not to throw out the baby with the bath water.
  • Sabio,
    Hey, thanks for the mention on your blog (I think)

    Hmm...I hope you find no reason to withdraw your thanks! I wasn't trying to argue with your post here. Did I misrepresent you or something?

    As far as the comment threading, I've decided that strict chronicity matters less to me than the possibility of grouping comments by relevance to one another regardless of when they're posted. I don't think hierarchical comment structure makes any difference in email: just like in "flat" comment structure, they're all generated chronologically with no hierarchy in place. But thanks for the thought. ;)
  • Steve,
    May I recommend stopping heirarchy of comments. Their chronicity is very hard to follow and almost impossible (esp in long threads) to follow by e-mail.
    Just a thought.
    -- Sabio
  • @ Steve
    Hey, thanks for the mention on your blog (I think) :-)
    I will be reading and responding later but wanted to stop in and say "Hi". But I see you have met my good friends "atimetorend" and "Ian" !
  • Doug Moody
    Hi Steve,
    Isn't it ironic that those who might not see wisdom shared anywhere else but the bible, sometimes ignore the same bible that informs us that the Magi (presumably from a pagan nation) were the first to recognize the significance of the star in the East, and came and paid homage and worship to the King?

    Hmmm. Wonder where they got that knowledge?
  • Excellent point, Doug. The Magi would have been Zoroastrian; in other words, they were from a religion that is - guess what - not Judaism. But when was the last time you heard a Christmas sermon even mention that? (It does seem like I wrote about this subject a few Christmases ago, but I'd have to check it out.)
  • Ian
    Thanks Steve,

    "I should point out that the purpose of this blog is much more oriented towards current believers." I figured that. My blog is similar (oriented towards non-believers). But I think having honest and open discussions with people of other viewpoints is exactly how we do uncover those nuggets of universal truth. I certainly feel that I've been enriched greatly by my long involvement with religions, even though I can't accept their doctrinal claims.

    "but recognizing already present similarities between religions that suggest some universality underlying them" This is the bit I'm struggling with, I think. Let's say I thought that there is some deep truth, and that various religions reveal that to greater or lesser degrees, then add various bits on top that aren't core. I couldn't imagine why I'd want to then follow one of those peripheral faiths just so I can get at the core. Why not dillegently aim for that core. So 80% of it might be common to Christianity, Buddhism and Taoism. But the other 20% might not be in Christianity at all, so you'd *have* to go elsewhere then. You'd have to, surely, be willing to bring Ra into your worship, if you found that worship of the natural world was part of that core. Isn't that where this leads? Or at some point do you just have to say "I'm a Christian by affiliation, so to keep that designation (which is meaningful to me in its own right) I'll just have to live with shutting out the other 20% from my search."

    I also get the point about ethics. I'm using doctrine somewhat as a stand-in for everything else. I do think the same issues arise aside from dogma too.
    .-= Ian´s last blog ..The Form of the Cosmological Argument =-.
  • But I think having honest and open discussions with people of other viewpoints is exactly how we do uncover those nuggets of universal truth.

    Oh, I agree - my comment certainly wasn't meant to be dismissive!

    As for your other comments, I should clarify that as a Christian I'm not using what's universal to decide what's at the "core" -- you're right that this would yield a completely different, syncretistic faith. I decide what's core by my experience within the Christian faith; my point above is that I do not dismiss other religious/ethical perspectives that are not present within Christianity out of hand, although I may weigh them in regard to what I find the most compelling about Christianity and reality in general and ultimately reject them. Am I misunderstanding you?
  • Ian
    No you're not misunderstanding me. That helped me understand much better. Thankyou.

    So, to stretch the linguistic analogy, could I say your opinion is something like this: "Well I'm an English speaker, I'm happy to believe there is beautiful literature in French, but I can't access that and even if I tried I might never be able to access it on the same deep level as a native speaker. So instead I'm content to immerse myself in the best that English literature has to offer. Any French speaker who talks to me about their literature is fine and fascinating, but I can't help but understand what they're saying in the context of my language."
    .-= Ian´s last blog ..The Form of the Cosmological Argument =-.
  • Ian,
    That almost works, but the problem is, having looked at other religions and spiritualities, I still have a hunch that there's something more objectively true about God and spiritual reality as described by the Judeo-Christian tradition. I don't think it's really a matter of choosing what's the most easily apprehensible field of inquiry, as your analogy implied.
  • Ian
    Hi Steve, First time here from Sabio's blog.

    It is an interesting point you make. And I agree wholeheartedly that our responsibility is to the search for truth rather than the clinging to those 'truths' we most value.

    But the problem as I see it from being to universalist about it, is that how do you choose? If Christian dogma could a mythological echo of the truth that is ancient Egyptian religion, or Bahaiism, and so on. The things we know about Jesus, or Allah, or Baha'u'llah, we know from writings (scripture or tradition). Nobody experiences Jesus as the self-sacrificing deity who hasn't first been told or read about him. So if the writings about him have no special claim to being more true than others, then where does that leave belief?

    One could say, of course, that each individual is responsible to find their own truths among the competing claims. But that is largely fantasy. If truths are found in all kinds of scripture, I've never met someone who has a distinctive faith based on the elements of truth they've found so distributed ("I believe in the trinity of the Jesus of Mark's gospel, the Krishna of the Baghavad Gita and the Egyptian sun-god Ra, but the Holy Spirit just isn't true for me"). I've met folks who are universal and abstract ('there's truth out there everywhere'), but most find truth in their own religious tradition and that's it.

    So I struggle to see how the ideal of such pluralism can be made real. And if it can be, why it is so staggeringly rare. Eventually I don't see how you can avoid the pluralism itself being a self-congratulatory elite.
    .-= Ian´s last blog ..The Form of the Cosmological Argument =-.
  • Hi Ian -- and welcome here.

    So if the writings about him have no special claim to being more true than others, then where does that leave belief?

    They have no intrinsic claim of being more true, but can be claimed as true extrinscially insofar as they accurately represent what is true in ways present in no other scriptures. In other words, your reading an interview of a truthful person is not inherently "better" or "more accurate" than my reading of an interview with a pathological liar or an abysmal idiot: our reading depends upon the truth or non-truth of the subject. Even a non-inerrantist like myself believes that the Bible testifies to certain truths, Jesus' importance being one of them, and so long as these claims of the Bible are more true than the claims of the Vedic scriptures, I am justified in doing so; the special divine seal of approval called Inerrancy is not necessary. In short, I do hold out the Bible as something quite special and important -- I just don't expect that this is at all provable, or necessarily self-evident.

    Now obviously, I have no way of making someone else believe the biblical accounts I accept. But I trust God to deal with them in an appropriate way; I hold out hope that God may reconcile the entire world to Himself through Christ. I have no interest in trampling other faiths under my own, or demanding that those who reject faith accept mine; I should point out that the purpose of this blog is much more oriented towards current believers.

    You refer to the rarity of taking doctrinal elements from many faiths and putting them piecemeal into one: I agree that this is exceedingly rare. But what Lewis is referring to (and Sabio, too, unless I am mistaken) is not cobbling together a religion from this or that religion's various beliefs, but recognizing already present similarities between religions that suggest some universality underlying them, often independently conceived and developed but strikingly convergent nonetheless. Regardless, the kind of pluralism I'd like to see is pluralism that relates more to ethics than dogma; e.g. Buddhists and Taoists have some insights about the human soul that I think are useful for Christians.
  • Great post, and I think you essentially back up your commitment to what you wrote by using Sabio's post that way, not simply eying his ideas "distrustfully as possibly being somehow “worldly” if they are not presented in the Bible, without looking at their intrinsic merit."

    "Whatever is true is true whether or not the Bible says it — whether or not it even agrees with it. If believing the truth is so important, shouldn’t we concern ourselves first with seeking out truth rather than defending what we already believe?"

    Yes. I do not see the value in a faith tradition that does not attempt to do that,
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