I am aware that a few of my theological positions are considered by many of my evangelical readers to be “liberal” (e.g. my beliefs on origins and biblical inerrancy). But this post will (unfortunately and unintentionally) be likely to cause controversy due to its blatant conservatism. More conservative, it turns out, than most modern evangelicals.

Anyone know right offhand the first directive God is recorded to have issued mankind? Hint: it’s not about which tree to eat from. This one reveals one of God’s chief purposes for the race He created as the crowning constituent of His world:

“Have lots of babies. Raise them to take their place in the administration of My Kingdom.”

This is obviously my own colloquialization of Genesis 1.28, but I’m sure you have guessed the wording of the original command: “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

It has been said that this was “a blessing, not a command,” and indeed, the words quoted above were introduced as a blessing: “Then God blessed them and said…” Now I want you to try to imagine how being blessed is not also an act of commission: how like God would it be to make provision for something He doesn’t care one way or another about? I can’t think of anything in Scripture that sounds anything remotely like, “You know, you may never wish to take advantage of this blessing, but I just want you to know that if you ever want to [blank], I’ve got you covered.” God’s blessings express His heart; far from offering an option subject to be disregarded at our whim, His blessings communicate His plan and His commitment to seeing that plan through to fulfillment.

Even in recent times, right up until and even after industrialization, the pattern God ordained was still maintained on a broad scale. Parents wanted to have children to help out in or around the home or contribute income from other employment as soon as they came of age; children were expected to help provide for their parents and siblings as time progressed. Family was a primary focus of everyone’s life; those for whom this was not the case were looked on as flighty, uncommitted, and frivolous.

But things changed: it was as though humanity decided that its commission to subdue the earth was complete, and so reproduction was optional at best and too downright inconvenient at worst. Too often these days in which self-centeredness is the rule, Americans who start having children early (and by early I mean before their late twenties) are assumed to be either 1) clumsy in their birth control efforts or 2) quaint and old-fashioned. Usually in that order.*

Actually, that first assumption is somewhat justifiable: since the advent of birth control, people have been able to enjoy sex with abandon simply for mutual or self-gratification. Christians with this mindset thank God for the gift of birth control. Birth control may in fact be a gift of God, but one arguably more beneficial to the Kingdom when unbelievers avail themselves of it. Consider the following points.

It’s my belief that Christians have a biblically mandated obligation to fill the earth with godly offspring; this is a strategy meant to advance the Kingdom by out-populating the ungodly. Muslims and Mormons understand this logic. Ask yourself which religions are the chief rivals of Christianity in size and speed of growth. If you answered yourself “Muslims and Mormons”, move to the head of the class. Among devout Christians, Muslims, and Mormons, Christians are easily the least likely to encourage large families. This despite “focusing” on the family; we tend to try to make good families, but make them small to compensate for all the effort. But much like abortion, reinforcing Christians’ desire to maintain small families or childless marriages results in an undervaluation of children and the centrality of family to our lives.

The main point I want to drive home is that I believe all Christians should have as a principal goal to do whatever it takes to put themselves in the position to create and cultivate a family. As it is, parents (implicitly at least) teach their kids that after leaving the home, they should embark on their careers and then, when they’re done pursuing their self-chosen dreams, maybe have some children. Now of couse, I’m definitely not recommending the jobless to start churning out kids. But I’m saying that not being able to afford the largest house, the finest toys, or Carter’s babywear should in no way be considered good cause to waste your life on career-building. If I had to sacrifice having a career I loved so that I could raise a healthy, loving, godly family, I would do so. The poor have always seemed to know that what brings the most value and meaning in life is family; the wealthy of today’s America, who can most afford having children and spending time with them, tend to have their eyes set on more temporal things and thus typically have smaller families. This is sad, chiefly because it plagues American Christendom no less than the world at large.

There are a number of other problems with putting off children until some future by-and-by, including the fact that children born to parents past the prime of life (late teens to about mid-twenties) are likelier to have or cause health issues. Something else that Christians should consider is that these children do not have a chance to know their grandparents as long as they otherwise would. Since the increase in longevity brought on by medical revolutions in the past century or so, more children lived to see and remember even their great-grandparents than was previously possible, although it must be noted that longer life is often tempered by protracted health issues such as senility; the wonderful gain in life expectancy has lately been offset by procrastinated parenting. The wisdom of the aged, marginalized already by the fracturization of the family unit and peer centrism, is made scarcer still by allowing the elderly to die off without having experienced the reward of enjoying their children’s children, the most precious and lasting fruit of their life’s labors.

Many Christians object that they’re waiting for the “right time” to have kids. They expect that at some future time,

  • life circumstances such as finances will allow them to have children
  • their marriage will mature sufficiently (somehow managing to do this without one of the features necessary to truly complete and fulfill marriage)
  • they’ll feel “ready”

The first two initially sound reasonable and are often looked on by other Christians as wise choices. When they really think about it, however, most Christian parents will probably tell you that it’s no use waiting on these expectations, because both are almost never fulfilled to expected satisfaction. Moreover, far too many** giving the reasons listed above are unconsciously using them as code for decidedly different ideals: they figure that at some (perpetually?) future time, they’ll suddenly find it easy to give up the money they’ve gotten used to spending on anything they wanted, including the repayment of debts that are customarily accrued for the satisfaction of their more frivolous desires. Until then, they’ll be able to live the life of the care-free dating couple (with divinely approved “benefits” thrown in as a bonus).

The upshot for these types is that, short of a heavenly audible voice or lapse into clumsiness in birth control efforts, they’ll never have to worry about doing anything besides waiting for that ever elusive and probably completely fictitious “readiness”.

Another major obstacle for Christians and family-building is that so many of us just aren’t crazy about children. But what do we expect? After all, our culture tells us that children are usually accidents to be avoided. Kids are born naturally oblivious to our grown-up standards of good sense and propriety: the ugly fact is that children are almost without exception born loud, unruly, inconsiderate, messy, and self-centered. Before having children, I thought babies were cute, and I did feel that having a family was important, but I was simply not comfortable around children; I never felt like I related well with them, especially once they got past two years old or so. I didn’t realize how obviously awkward I was until recently when, upon observing one of my frequent happy father moments that left me beaming, my mother remarked, “You never thought you’d be so crazy about children, did you? I didn’t think you would be either.” When she said that, I realized that I am now a completely different person: although still not a natural child-lover like some of our friends, still not someone who desires to be tied down to inconvenient bedtimes and even more inconvenient early risings, definitely not the type who relishes sitting through unappetizingly messy dinnertimes which require disgusting cleanup afterwards, I am fundamentally, absolutely happy with the gift of fatherhood. Nor is my endurance of the above incommodities attributable to the patience of Job; rather, God has blessed my obedience with a love for my children that soars so far above those things that, from here, they are hardly visible.

I am convinced that my transformation was not the result of some rare dispensation of divine mercy: God always attends His directives with more than sufficient grace for carrying them out. I have been married nine years and have had children for all but three of those. I am as honest as I’ll ever be when I tell you that I wouldn’t give up these last six years for fifty of the “married without children” lifestyle any more than I would give up the first three years with just Renee. I feel immense satisfaction, a fulfillment too great to simply be the result of following some personal plan God has for me. It’s bigger than that: I’ve taken my place in the grand scheme that our sovereign Creator intended for mankind all along. I have trod in the footsteps of my fathers, and of my fathers’ fathers.

Preterism has taught me that God has restored His original plan for us; my pastor has proclaimed over and over again that fatherhood is a seminal part of the Kingdom’s pattern, an institution essential for its very functionality. We cannot fully comply with our Gen. 1.28 charge to subdue the earth without also filling the earth. How long will it be before the Church allows these revelations to be birthed within us and evidenced without?

“With that logic, where do you suggest that we stop? How many children should we have?” “If child-rearing is so wonderful, why should we have any constraints on it at all — ten, fifteen kids?” If you were thinking thoughts like these, then my point has probably not been conveyed properly. My intent is not to subject anyone to a set of rules — “do this, and do it this way” — but to identify a faulty mindset that has adversely affected our current situation, both in the Church at large and on a personal basis. I’m not saying that there aren’t forms of and motivations for birth control that are right for Christians: I know there are Christians undergoing true financial difficulty for whom another mouth to feed sounds about as reasonable as a moratorium on oxygen. The recognition of the immaturity of a spouse as something to overcome before having children is another wise consideration. Please understand what I am saying: all Christians should have as a principal goal to do whatever it takes to put themselves in the position to create and cultivate a family. This is a privileged contribution to the Kingdom of God not to be shirked lightly, directly opposed to the prevailing mindset that encourages doing whatever it takes to get out of family-building for as long as possible.

Jonah, rather than immediately high-tailing it the other way, could have responded to God’s call much like some modern Christians: “Sure I’ll go to Nineveh! It’s a wonderful plan You have, Lord. I plan on going there one day. Maybe even soon! Right now I’m trying to tie up some loose ends around here, and then one day I’ll be ready to obey You. I mean, right now I’m pretty happy where I am, working on my walk and relationship with You. All that time in Assyria – my house will be a wreck! And how will I even find a chance for private time with You? You’ve gotta admit, Lord, that those Ninevites are a real hassle to keep up with!”

Lord knows I didn’t mean to heap condemnation on anyone’s head for not having children yet or for putting it off for good reasons; I know people who have put it off for good reasons, so I know they exist! And I certainly want to apologize to those Christians who pray for but have not yet received a mate: God’s got you in His hands, just where He wants you for now. (Anyone who wants children but is sadly struggling with infertility, perhaps consider my first footnote below.) But I don’t think it’s untoward for me to encourage the childless-by-choice Christians to understand that nothing they do in their lifetimes will be as important or fulfilling as having and raising children. Think about it; pray about it; argue with it. Just don’t ignore it.

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* By no means do I mean to leave out the possibility of adoption, which is essentially the reclamation of God’s blessing of new life and a picture of redemption befitting those representing Christ to the world.

** Please notice that I said “far too many” were using the above as excuses rather than as valid reasons; far too many, but not all.

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  • @AMW -
    Like all actions, having children is a trade-off. You get the joy and fulfillment of parenting an additional person. But you must also divert some of your resources toward parenting that child. It’s easy to shrug this point off as being selfish and materialistic, but note that some of those resources will come at the expense of your spouse and other children.

    Throughout your comment, you seem to be vacillating between an argument against having kids and an argument against having lots of kids. The latter, while perhaps defended, is not necessarily advocated above (except for "lots of babies" in my paraphrase of Gen 1.28, which in the original was arguably distributive over humanity rather than any one couple). I don't say that everyone should have six kids. I can't say that. (Although I am reminded of Psalm 127: "...Happy is the man whose quiver is full...") So I think you missed my larger point. This post argues against having no children primarily. I do wish that more parents had more children than one (see below).

    To your point, of course there's a trade-off. But this doesn't answer my contention that the trade-off is worth it and that there is no better use for resources than on maintaining a family.

    A child with no siblings will have its parents’ undivided attention often; a child with six siblings will have it rarely.

    Again, I'm not trying to argue that you must have any certain number of kids but to make the much more modest (and less contentious) case that having children is a good thing that shouldn't be avoided for simple inconvenience. That said, your statement above is actually one of the best arguments in favor of big families. A child who is the recipient of all his parents' attention is much likelier to think he especially deserves attention; a child who has six siblings realizes that world doesn't revolve around him and is raised with a grounded sense of humility. My son is better off seeing me taking care of all his siblings than being the sole recipient of my attention. The Christian virtue of deference to others is learned at home, not at government facilities, and from what I've seen, one child among many has a better chance of esteeming one's brothers and sisters as equals rather than rivals (which often happens with smaller sets of siblings). Parental attention is essential for certain types of development -- no doubt -- but the determining factor is not simply one-on-one parental attention but a tight family matrix; with this, children grow up with a strong, innate sense of the family unit as the basis for society. I'm all for healthy doses of individualism, but I think the basic unit is neither me nor "a village" but the family.

    A spouse with few children will have a partner with significant time and energy to put into making the marriage relationship healthy; a spouse with many children will have a partner with fewer such resources.

    Hm. Sounds like work to me. ;) Come on, who said it's easy? One should, of course, always count the cost, but don't let the cost keep you from taking up your cross. (Hey, that's almost catchy!) On the other hand, this is why I wrote above, "The recognition of the immaturity of a spouse as something to overcome before having children is another wise consideration." This is one reason among many that singles are advised to avoid choosing an overly needy spouse.

    I know of a single passage that includes a command to procreate (Genesis 1), along with a number of passages that speak of the blessings of children (principally among the Proverbs, though there are accounts in the Pentateuch and histories of people striving mightily to have children, presumably because they are so desirable).

    The Proverbs are arguably the most timeless portion of Scripture. And procreation (as I have stated a couple times) isn't the only way to obtain "the blessings of children".

    I also know of passages where Paul advises against marriage (and, necessarily, procreation).

    Seriously, arguing against marriage isn't nearly the same thing as arguing against children once one is married. That was a given.

    There just doesn’t seem to be a clear, sustained mandate through the body of Scripture that believers have children.

    Such an explicit mandate was hardly necessary for people in the ancient world. But that it wasn't just a temporally/culturally constrained institution is evident from 1) the passages that I (and you) mentioned that speak of the blessed state of having families and 2) the very nature of humanity as requiring procreation for continued existence. Most believers, it turns out, are humans. :P

    As for Muslims, don’t forget that they predominantly live in poorer countries. This means that a) a lot of them are dying in childhood and b) they haven’t yet reached a level of economic development at which people tend to shrink their family size. I don’t think we have a whole lot to worry about from either group out-breeding us.

    Actually, with regard to Muslims, all statistics say very much the opposite (see here, for instance). I linked above to a study about the Mormon growth rate overtaking evangelical/orthodox Christians (in America at least) -- but I do agree that this isn't going to happen overnight. I'm talking long-term strategy, here.
  • AMW
    Well, allow me to be the one theist on this thread that isn't jumping on the natalist trolley.

    Steve, you make way too broad an argument to allow a detailed rebuttal in a mere comment, but let me make the following points:

    1. Like all actions, having children is a trade-off. You get the joy and fulfillment of parenting an additional person. But you must also divert some of your resources toward parenting that child. It's easy to shrug this point off as being selfish and materialistic, but note that some of those resources will come at the expense of your spouse and other children. A child with no siblings will have its parents' undivided attention often; a child with six siblings will have it rarely. A spouse with few children will have a partner with significant time and energy to put into making the marriage relationship healthy; a spouse with many children will have a partner with fewer such resources.

    2. I know of a single passage that includes a command to procreate (Genesis 1), along with a number of passages that speak of the blessings of children (principally among the Proverbs, though there are accounts in the Pentateuch and histories of people striving mightily to have children, presumably because they are so desirable). I also know of passages where Paul advises against marriage (and, necessarily, procreation). There just doesn't seem to be a clear, sustained mandate through the body of Scripture that believers have children.

    3. With regards to Mormons and Muslims, let's keep things in perspective. There are about 13 million Mormons, and well over a billion Christians. It's easy for relatively small groups to grow quickly, but as their numbers grow, it tends to become harder to get that nominal convert, and the average adherent tends to be less devout. As for Muslims, don't forget that they predominantly live in poorer countries. This means that a) a lot of them are dying in childhood and b) they haven't yet reached a level of economic development at which people tend to shrink their family size. I don't think we have a whole lot to worry about from either group out-breeding us.

    Finally, with regard to Leah's post that the educated and cultured reproduce at a disproportionately low rate, I'll note that this argument has been around for better than a century. All the while, median income, wealth and education have been on the rise. The uneducated may breed quickly, but apparently their offspring either have sufficiently low survival rates or they experience mass defection in their own ranks. Or perhaps there is some other explanation. At any rate, large families among the poor and uneducated don't seem to have sunk us yet.
  • I see where you're coming from. This particular issue seems to cast a lot of Christians against type, doesn't it? Heck, it's in this one area that Lyndsay sounds something like a Calvinist ("God has chosen The One for you -- don't you dare miss it!") and Daniel sounds like an Arminian ("I'm not so sure God sets apart any particular person."). Or so I last heard.

    In any event, I understand and sympathize with your plight. *nods to Leah*
  • @Steve - Thanks, Steve, and point taken on Arminianism--mainly joking, of course. Anyhow, it's my own belief in God's sovereignty that's really at issue when it comes to singleness. As blaming myself comes naturally, trusting and thanking God for a gift I don't want seems the only remedy--and one sometimes difficult to swallow, however faith-filled my proclamations of the workings of Providence in all other matters.

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  • *Ahem.* I wish I had waited to comment for just a few minutes: Leah did a much better job than I could have!

    Because I actually believe what I said about God being in control of your circumstances, I think my comment about singles was more than a nod. And please be fair: no Arminian questions God's sovereignty but rather the confusion of sovereignty and omnipotence with determinism of one shade or another. As for miracles, all I have to say is that surely it takes more confidence in God's sovereignty to expect Him to provide for us as He alone knows best without having to interrupt His own show with a few miracles in order to actuate His plan. ;)
  • Tom asks a terrific question about adoption, but one that can only be answered in a spiritual manner. Aside from David's "adopting" Mephibosheth as an adult and Eli's raising Samuel in the temple, I can think of no examples except for the greatest of all, which Tom surely will not recognize: Joseph's adoption of Jesus, with faith alone (and a few angelic visitations) revealing to him the father of his adopted child, and much more profound, OUR OWN. Adoption into God's family is one of the foundational truths of the Christian faith. Paul tells the Galatians (ch. 4):
    4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.


    On the practical side, the book of James informs us that the purest form of religion is ministering to widows and orphans (Jas. 1:27). What better way to minister to orphans than bringing them into our homes to be part of our families? Is there a sweeter picture of the adopting love of God than this?

    To Tom's sustainability argument, I'll just add a practical rebuttal. It's clear from population studies that educated people aren't breeding very quickly. So people who care about the environment, who actually recycle, who contribute to the beauty and meaning and knowledge and culture in the world, aren't replacing themselves, aren't producing LIKE KIND. On the other hand, the uneducated, the dangerously fundamentalist (as in, kill the enemies of your god), the inbred, and the weak-gened are reproducing prodigiously. We enlightened goody-two-shoes stop at one or two if we have kids at all...and blindly pat ourselves on the back that we've done our part to save the planet. And for whom are we preserving it? Well, unfortunately, for the people who will destroy it with their wars and their ignorance--the people who have kept on reproducing while the rest of us have sat on our high (and childless) horses. It's a numbers game, and the smart folks have long ago conceded it. Donning a secular hat, I'd say that educated, thoughtful people of faith are the lest best hope for the world. Of course, as a Christian, my hope is instead in the transforming power of the Gospel, but were I an unbeliever, I'd be pretty scared right about now, and not for myself, but for my great grandkids.

    Steve, thank you for this well-written and impassioned argument. I wish more Christians agreed with you. I wish I had a husband so I could join the crusade. On that point, as comfortless as it is to be reminded of God's sovereignty in my singleness by an Arminian and miracle skeptic, I sincerely appreciate the nod in this direction :).
  • Originally Posted By tom
    Like all readings of Genesis, put it in the historical and cultural perspective. With things like the geneologies and God's promise to make so-and-so into a "great nation", Genesis is rife with the preoccupation of reproducing perhaps more as a means of forming statehoods and allegiances rather than the propagation of ideologies.

    You seem to be framing this as a political vs. religious struggle, but this is false because it assumes that the growth of the power and prestige of the nation was seen as an irreligious thing; even among Christians, the health of the family is useful for the building up of the Kingdom of God in strength and influence, although no longer seen as a political entity. Moreover, the commissioning of man in Genesis 1 was not presented as unique to the nation of Israel, but for mankind in general. It was intended to explain why mankind is driven to understand and "subdue" the physical universe; we as people of faith have the responsibility to apply this God-given authority and jurisdiction to every area of our lives. The etiologies of the OT don't just explain why things have been before, but instead, by way of applying meaning to the events of the past, suggest continuing meaning and relevance of those events.

    Also important to recognize is that early Judaism saw childbearing as the primary means of propagating covenant; I had a modern Jew tell me that proselytizing is still discouraged in Judaism, leaving continuation of the religion to be through family lines. Children were an important sign of the covenant: fertility was a sign that God was blessing the people as He had promised their forefathers. This also addresses your comment about bloodlines, since the Old Covenant was seen as primarily (although not exclusively) available to people of Abraham's lineage. But both Jesus and Paul in the New Testament seek to break down this paradigm for covenant in many places, and in fact Paul refers to the redemption of all Christians as "adoption as sons" (Rom. 8). Paul spilled volumes of ink affirming that the New Covenant had nothing to do with flesh and blood (ethnicity) but is available for the Gentile as well. Pictured in this light, as I said in footnote 2 above, adoption is a picture of Christ's redemption of those who were not God's own.

    Shoot, Tom -- you've roped me into a conversation! Now I'm going to renew my original resolution to not get "into it" with you. :) We can interact over email if you like.
  • tom
    @Steve - I understand the hesitation with getting into it with me. I hesitated for a while before commenting because I know I'm not the target audience. I tried to answer not as an atheist, but to sincerely ask what the objective of this blessing/command is. Like all readings of Genesis, put it in the historical and cultural perspective. With things like the geneologies and God's promise to make so-and-so into a "great nation", Genesis is rife with the preoccupation of reproducing perhaps more as a means of forming statehoods and allegiances rather than the propagation of ideologies.

    While I applaud adoption, the Bible seems to have a preoccupation with blood lines. I don't recall any adoption examples (except Moses) in the Bible. Are there some?

    Anyway, medicine is not my field. (It's my wife's). Computational biology is my area.

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  • @Tom - Well, Tom, you know I'm usually up for a good discussion with everyone's favorite neighborhood atheist (you!), and reading through your comment, I've certainly got lots I could say. But in this case I'm going to have to decline: it really is an internal matter. I directed this post toward Christians and about Christians, people who believe the Bible has certain core principles by which we govern our lives and who have submitted themselves to those principles as the standard by which we live; in our view (which I know you don't share), in many cases it would be inconsiderate not to remind other believers of those principles.

    That said, one comment: I have not studied the issue of assisted reproduction but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right (isn't medicine your field?). In that case, I would reiterate my position that adoption is a good alternative. Moreover, I hope those who have heritable disorders will also choose adoption (except, of course, if their conditions are too debilitating to allow them to be good parents -- one great reason to remain childless). In short, however preferable natural reproduction might be to many of us, there are a number of considerations that make adoption a better option for certain people.
  • Tom
    Well, you're really running with that command/blessing. On one hand, evolutionarily, it makes sense. That's why many species have thousands of offspring. But that tack works as long as there is enough food and resources. From a natural point of view, humans have already "subdued" and "filled the earth". Each human footprint on this planet is extraordinary. How fair is it to stretch the planet so that our children's children have to duke it out?

    If the objective is saving souls, then I think one would be more efficient NOT being a parent. Parenting takes an extraordinary amount of time, energy, and money that could be spent otherwise. The Catholic way is both: to have large families or go into the ministry, in which case you remain childless. Additionally, if it was such an effective strategy, why did not Jesus employ it himself? (Oh wait, I think I remember seeing a Tom Hanks movie....)

    Another issue is your assumption that society demeans children -- that we see them as inconvenient. The demand for assisted reproductive technology runs counter to that argument. But for those would-be parents looking at assisted reproduction, it's not necessarily wise advice to promote those devices to justify the means of a family, either. The expense, both mentally and monetarily, are huge for the individuals and society, and those children are more likely to have health problems.

    Being a parent can be a wonderful, life-changing experience, but I don't think it's considerate to project the timing and the way you did it as fulfilling God's command, casting alternatives as disobedient, or at best, suboptimal.
  • At $40K per year, how can I afford to send more than two children to the college of their choosing? The baccalaureates alone will set me back at least $160K each! Then there's grad school. I may need to put another mortgage on my $2,000,000.00 home! It costs so much to raise children these days, a responsible Christian parent must be sure he can afford them before he breeds them, don't you agree? 


    I hope you saw my smile! 

    In the mid-70s, Ginger and I had our politically correct two ("replace yourselves and no more" was the mantra back then) children. There was a lot of social pressure not to have more children. Then, in the mid-80s, we read Psalm 127 and Psalm 128, and it dawned upon us that we enjoyed nothing so much as raising children. Why were we limiting God's blessing and our joy? So we had four more ... and have never regretted it. 


    This "origins and bibliological liberal" is totally with you in your ultra-conservative view!
  • Good comments, Heather and Josh.  I think the Church has suffered from a loss of focus on the family.  When Dobson created that ministry, the question of "family or no family" probably wasn't as much on their minds; but that phrase has meaning at a more basic level nowadays, methinks.

    (And FWIW, Josh, I honestly wasn't referring to you since I know where you stand on these things.)
  • ow, ow! My arm! Uncle! Uncle!  (no pun intended). You're right.  My wife and I haven't had children yet (though, honey, if you're reading this, I'm ready when you are) however it gets under my skin to hear wussy Christians belly-aching about how hard parenting can be and how after the first one they're gonna wait good and long before having any more.  Sure it's hard! But it's part of our purpose. So many "brave" Christians talk about being bold for Christ and going into the mission field or openly telling sinners that they're gonna "bust Hell wide open" yet are fearful of bearing  and raising children.  And Heather, you're right that career bunk is lame. Or "I want to get my business off the ground first."   People don't know what's important anymore. I can tell you right now that my career doesn't even come close to filling some of the voids I know are in my life.  However being a father will. I think I could be a garbage man and still find great fulfillment in life through being a father (no offense to any garbage men reading).
  • Coincidentally, this topic was one of the topics that came up in discussion last night with our Bible study group. There are far too many Christians who seem to be following the world's model of placing a career ahead of a family. I'm glad to see you didn't forget adoption as a good way to build a family. There are far too many people who speak out against abortion but are unwilling to adopt the children should the mother carry it to term.

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