History and faith

January 26th, 2010 | 18 Comments

A commenter on the previous post raised an interesting point that leads me into something I’ve been wanting to explore here. He wrote:

I don’t see why it would be logically necessary that [the Bible] is 100% true. However, if we allow that it isn’t, then how are we to determine which parts are true? There is no way of knowing, which is damning [for the whole book]. An empirical test would be nice, but as we all know there is no such thing.

How we “determine which parts are true” is especially important in regard to the Bible’s supernatural claims. Being natural and living in a natural world, we find these claims almost impossible to evaluate. Hence, we tend to allow the truth of the spiritual claims of Scripture to piggy-back on the verifiable claims: typically, as the verifiable claims fare, so confidence in the unverifiable fares. This is obviously inductive reasoning, and not a very robust form of it either: conceivably, one could read a set of verifiable events in a newspaper, create out of whole cloth any number of stories detailing supernatural events supposedly related to those newspaper events, and publish a book integrating both the newspaper and the manufactured fantasy stories. Obviously, no one need seriously entertain the bogus claims’ truthfulness simply because of the truthfulness of the verifiable claims.

Now, I don’t think that the supernatural and other unverifiable events of Scripture were all created out of whole cloth. My point is that a healthy dose of humility in our bibliology is warranted: for instance, even if we find out that the Khirbet Qeiyafa fragment establishes that Hebrew writing and even specific content from Jewish scriptures date further back than scholars now suppose, it doesn’t necessarily follow, as some have apparently concluded, that “extreme liberal biblical criticism” has ceded territory specifically over to “conservative” forms of criticism. Doubtless, there are versions of “extreme liberal biblical criticism” that will take evidence like this (if it proves valid) in stride. The fact is, even if proof for the resurrection of Jesus were uncovered, there would be possible explanations other than those given by the writers of the New Testament.

When the conclusions of certain biblical critics is characterized as “extreme” or “liberal”, it has already been judged from a confessional standpoint. Is this fair? I happen to think that our confessions should be sufficiently grounded by evidence before allowed to sit in judgment of contrary evidence. This leads me to muse: those who approach a particular ancient text from the same position as everyone throughout history except some Jews and Christians and who seek to verify what they can using the carefully honed skills of historical and textual criticism are “liberal”, and those who posit an unnatural (“supernatural”) influence that throws out all other humanity’s understanding of the text are the ones called “conservative”? What in heaven’s name do “liberal” and “conservative” even mean anymore?

An excellent introduction to the nature and importance of historical studies for biblical interpretation is a short (142 pp.) and readable book called The Burial of Jesus: History and Faith by Dr. James F. McGrath. In this book, McGrath uses a critical examination of the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ burial and resurrection coupled with our extra-biblical knowledge of first century Palestinian burial practices as an example of the kind of conclusions that an historian not committed to affirming inerrancy might draw. While the preponderance of his suggestions are not as scandalous as evangelicals might fear, many of the ideas he as an historian must entertain will certainly not sit comfortably with even more liberal evangelicals. But importantly, this is not his only point: he also seeks to present an explication of and apologetic for using the tools of historical study on our beloved Bible. Most evangelicals are skeptical of using these tools except when it is expected to not affect or to bolster their already formed conclusions; they tend to view historians who come to non-evangelical conclusions about Scripture as atheists seeking to undermine faith. This skepticism is understandable, but somewhat misplaced, since “…there is much evidence that there are many people working in the fields of history and Biblical studies as an expression of their faith rather than because of opposition to it” [emphasis original]. Moreover, engaging the findings of historical study should be a crucial part of our interpretive process. His book undertakes to explain how:

…the very common approach of taking Biblical stories uncritically at face value, and using them as a reason for dismissing evidence not only from history but from science and other sources of knowledge, is fundamentally misguided. Historical study provides us with the only tools available to us for knowing about the past. (p. 8 )

The historical data in Scripture is examined like we examine any other ancient text purporting to record historical events. Because first-hand observation is naturally precluded, empirical tests are never exactly conclusive when dealing with certain types of historical data; this means that most attempts to determine historicity are inevitably indeterminate. An historian gathers an idea of the likelihood of certain events but, as long as he is working as an academic, he must remain ultimately agnostic, no matter what his hunch might be.

At some point though, people generally aren’t content with accepting indeterminacy about such events: they will generally come to their own, ultimately untestable, personal conclusions one way or another. Some will consider errors in the Bible’s depiction of demonstrable events and then look askance particularly at the indemonstrable events, concluding, “None of it’s true.” Others like myself find that the supposition that the Bible testifies to certain fundamental transcendent truths explains more than it causes trouble for, especially when taking into account the experiences of ourselves and others we know and love. So, without contradictory evidence, but also without proof, we believe; the problem I’m critiquing is that not all of us recognize that it is in fact without proof that we believe. But as McGrath also argues, excessive dependence upon empirical proof can be just as misguided.

While most conservative Christian readers might think he goes too far in revealing the weaknesses of their fideism, McGrath also critiques those overconfident that the only thing worth believing is what’s empirically verifiable. In a passage of Burial representative of a theme recurring throughout, he reminds us, “Doubt, on the other hand, taken to its extreme, becomes a kind of faith.” To substantiate this surprising claim, he appeals to that hallmark postmodern critique of modernism: a dependence on empiricism that breeds ”excessive skepticism” is itself based upon implicit trust in our senses and our understanding of our experiences. This unprovable trust lacks requisite humility and a sober recognition of our finitude, and it’s problematized by the common observation that “seeing is believing” must always be tempered by “appearances can be deceiving”. But somehow, as I have observed multiple times on this blog, we seem to get by anyway.
There are many questions that we cannot answer with absolute certainty, and yet we find ourselves willing to accept some things in the absence of absolute proof. Most of us consider this world that we inhabit to be real. Sometimes, we must take reason as far as it can take us, and then keep moving forward beyond what we can prove. (p. 12)
So while the destruction of the paper-mâché bulwark of inerrancy means that there is no surefire way of knowing which parts of Scripture are certainly true, it bears repeating that observation I made earlier cuts both ways. Unverified claims of Scripture in no way necessarily share the same fate as the verifiable claims: no one seriously expects that nothing the ancient pagan historians tell us is credible just because we find them making reference to their gods. Errors in the Bible are “damning” for provability, but not “damning for the whole book” in that they do not remove its usefulness as an historical testimony to the faith of people of old, the core of which has been passed down to us and still makes a difference in people’s lives today. It seems both believers and unbelievers need to recognize the Bible for what it is, not what believers expect and want it to be.
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January 26th, 2010

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  • Doug Moody

    Steve,

    “At some point though, people generally aren’t content with accepting indeterminacy about such events: they will generally come to their own, ultimately untestable, personal conclusions one way or another.”

    Do you think, seeing as none of us actually lived in the past, and we can’t ABSOLUTELY determine the facts of the matter, that is still only going to boil down to a matter of faith?

    I think even an atheist has faith – just in the wrong thing. Heck, I have to have the faith that my check will clear the bank and that the bank will pay someone else on my behalf. Without a little bit of faith, we couldn’t even function.

    What is “proof” for you, may not be proof for me, and vice-versa. What then should we do? I think what we MUST do is accept that it ultimately boils down to one person/one God, and how that person understands (in other words, has faith in) said relationship. I CANNOT decide how others interpret anything. All I can do is make up my own mind, based on evidence I have at hand, and hope that grace and mercy will cover the missing knowledge.

    • http://undeception.com/ Steve

      Doug,

      Well said. I think, if motivated by compassion rather than self-aggrandizement, that we might influence how others interpret things, all the while remaining open to influence ourselves. Humility is more important than certainty.

  • Doug Moody

    Steve,

    “At some point though, people generally aren’t content with accepting indeterminacy about such events: they will generally come to their own, ultimately untestable, personal conclusions one way or another.”

    Do you think, seeing as none of us actually lived in the past, and we can’t ABSOLUTELY determine the facts of the matter, that is still only going to boil down to a matter of faith?

    I think even an atheist has faith – just in the wrong thing. Heck, I have to have the faith that my check will clear the bank and that the bank will pay someone else on my behalf. Without a little bit of faith, we couldn’t even function.

    What is “proof” for you, may not be proof for me, and vice-versa. What then should we do? I think what we MUST do is accept that it ultimately boils down to one person/one God, and how that person understands (in other words, has faith in) said relationship. I CANNOT decide how others interpret anything. All I can do is make up my own mind, based on evidence I have at hand, and hope that grace and mercy will cover the missing knowledge.

    • http://undeception.com Steve

      Doug,

      Well said. I think, if motivated by compassion rather than self-aggrandizement, that we might influence how others interpret things, all the while remaining open to influence ourselves. Humility is more important than certainty.

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com/ Sabio Lantz

    the core of which has been passed down to us and still makes a difference in people’s lives today.

    This is true of the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran and on and on. But you never answered the question — what method, then, do you decide what the “core” is? Tradition? Since reason can only take you so far and fallibility is agreed, then the methods I see are:
    1) the wise professor or the charismatic preacher
    2) each individual decides
    3) tradition decides (which tradition?)
    And none of those would find an overlapping core of beliefs.
    Yet apparently, you seem to know what it is.
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com Sabio Lantz

    the core of which has been passed down to us and still makes a difference in people’s lives today.

    This is true of the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran and on and on. But you never answered the question — what method, then, do you decide what the “core” is? Tradition? Since reason can only take you so far and fallibility is agreed, then the methods I see are:
    1) the wise professor or the charismatic preacher
    2) each individual decides
    3) tradition decides (which tradition?)
    And none of those would find an overlapping core of beliefs.
    Yet apparently, you seem to know what it is.
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • Doug Moody

    Steve and Sabio,

    In most religions, the TRUTH of a claim is more often than not disconnected from the FAITH that its adherents have.

    Because of this disconnect between faith and truth, simply relying on truth as a standard, and assuming that we can then create faith FROM truth is not logical, anymore than many “faiths” are not really logical in their practice versus their stated “theologies”! This happens because it is assumed that faith does not NEED a verifiable truth in order to exist.

    Now Sabio, you asked that very question. You asked how can we then decide between clashing faiths? I assume that you believe we cannot decide, and that there really isn’t an independent way to verify if one person’s faith has validity or has a foot in reality. If I am wrong in my assumption, please correct me. But if I am right, then I would take you to task with your statements. Why? Because your question is a de facto assumption that there is no way to ultimately arrive at a truth upon which one can base their faith. You are assuming that a true faith cannot be found. You assume that faith EXCLUDES truth.

    And that is the problem in this discussion! When we go down that rabbit hole, we begin using terms like “well, that’s YOUR truth, but its not MY truth” or some such similar sentiment. Trouble is, there is no such thing as “relative truth”. It either is true, or its not.

    So the real problem becomes “WHAT is the basis of your faith” Is it based upon some kind of nebulous “truth” that is unverifiable? In fact, is it really possible to “verify” ANY thing? I submit that verifiability is only contained within the person doing the verifying. It is impossible for me to give to you MY faith, or even MY “truth”. That is something you will have to find out for yourself. Yet, that does NOT exempt you from being accountable for what you believe.

    Yes, that is the dilemma we all have. Are you or are you not accountable for what you place your faith in? If you place it in some kind of unverifiable “truth”, certain that your faith is based upon that truth, then there comes a time for all men when they have to face the end of their existence. At that point, you either will, or you won’t, have another existence. If you don’t, then you aren’t accountable for anything in this life. You can do as you please, and then you cease to be, and its the end of the story. But IF you are wrong about your assumptions about what is true, and you base your faith on falsehood, then when you come into the next existence, you will find yourself answering for your false assumptions.

    For me, I have chosen to do the best I can with the facts at hand, but instead of basing my faith on those facts as I perceive them (and my perceptions are often faulty), I choose to base my faith on a WHO instead of a WHAT. That is because I find it easier to rely on the personhood of truth rather than the truth of a person.

    What someone says is only verifiable through my own limited “truth filter” Recognizing that I am fallible in my perceptions of truth, I am better off relying on a SUPER natural “person” rather than on my own limited perception of what is true or not.

  • Doug Moody

    Steve and Sabio,

    In most religions, the TRUTH of a claim is more often than not disconnected from the FAITH that its adherents have.

    Because of this disconnect between faith and truth, simply relying on truth as a standard, and assuming that we can then create faith FROM truth is not logical, anymore than many “faiths” are not really logical in their practice versus their stated “theologies”! This happens because it is assumed that faith does not NEED a verifiable truth in order to exist.

    Now Sabio, you asked that very question. You asked how can we then decide between clashing faiths? I assume that you believe we cannot decide, and that there really isn’t an independent way to verify if one person’s faith has validity or has a foot in reality. If I am wrong in my assumption, please correct me. But if I am right, then I would take you to task with your statements. Why? Because your question is a de facto assumption that there is no way to ultimately arrive at a truth upon which one can base their faith. You are assuming that a true faith cannot be found. You assume that faith EXCLUDES truth.

    And that is the problem in this discussion! When we go down that rabbit hole, we begin using terms like “well, that’s YOUR truth, but its not MY truth” or some such similar sentiment. Trouble is, there is no such thing as “relative truth”. It either is true, or its not.

    So the real problem becomes “WHAT is the basis of your faith” Is it based upon some kind of nebulous “truth” that is unverifiable? In fact, is it really possible to “verify” ANY thing? I submit that verifiability is only contained within the person doing the verifying. It is impossible for me to give to you MY faith, or even MY “truth”. That is something you will have to find out for yourself. Yet, that does NOT exempt you from being accountable for what you believe.

    Yes, that is the dilemma we all have. Are you or are you not accountable for what you place your faith in? If you place it in some kind of unverifiable “truth”, certain that your faith is based upon that truth, then there comes a time for all men when they have to face the end of their existence. At that point, you either will, or you won’t, have another existence. If you don’t, then you aren’t accountable for anything in this life. You can do as you please, and then you cease to be, and its the end of the story. But IF you are wrong about your assumptions about what is true, and you base your faith on falsehood, then when you come into the next existence, you will find yourself answering for your false assumptions.

    For me, I have chosen to do the best I can with the facts at hand, but instead of basing my faith on those facts as I perceive them (and my perceptions are often faulty), I choose to base my faith on a WHO instead of a WHAT. That is because I find it easier to rely on the personhood of truth rather than the truth of a person.

    What someone says is only verifiable through my own limited “truth filter” Recognizing that I am fallible in my perceptions of truth, I am better off relying on a SUPER natural “person” rather than on my own limited perception of what is true or not.

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com/ Sabio Lantz

    Steve,

    Thank you for your reply. I must say, I find your prose very hard to untangle. So I am now reading them a third time to see if I can get your main points. I don’t know if this is just because I am not familiar with classic issue which you are touching on or just your style. But I wanted to put that out there.

    One of the thorniest issues is delineating definitions, I’d imagine. Words like “faith” and “truth” have many meanings and nuances that can get jumbled in these conversations.

    I see you using word “faith”, for instance, to mean “religion” and then “beliefs”.

    I think my questions was pretty straightforward. You spoke of the “core” of Christianity, and I was asking how you arrived at a core.

    I didn’t use the word “faith” once and yet your whole reply is about “faith”.

    You said,

    That is the problem with this discussion.

    But there was no discussion. I just asked a question (and got not answer).

    You said,

    I choose to base my faith on WHO instead of WHAT.

    Again, that does not answer my question. You seem to be talking to someone else in your “discussion”, because you are not talking to me.

    Did I miss something.
    A straightforward answer would be appreciated.
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com Sabio Lantz

    Steve,

    Thank you for your reply. I must say, I find your prose very hard to untangle. So I am now reading them a third time to see if I can get your main points. I don’t know if this is just because I am not familiar with classic issue which you are touching on or just your style. But I wanted to put that out there.

    One of the thorniest issues is delineating definitions, I’d imagine. Words like “faith” and “truth” have many meanings and nuances that can get jumbled in these conversations.

    I see you using word “faith”, for instance, to mean “religion” and then “beliefs”.

    I think my questions was pretty straightforward. You spoke of the “core” of Christianity, and I was asking how you arrived at a core.

    I didn’t use the word “faith” once and yet your whole reply is about “faith”.

    You said,

    That is the problem with this discussion.

    But there was no discussion. I just asked a question (and got not answer).

    You said,

    I choose to base my faith on WHO instead of WHAT.

    Again, that does not answer my question. You seem to be talking to someone else in your “discussion”, because you are not talking to me.

    Did I miss something.
    A straightforward answer would be appreciated.
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • Doug

    Sabio,
    I think you got Steve confused with me. That’s fine. We are both great writers! :)

    Anyway, I am sorry if I am not answering your question. I didn’t realize it was a question. I thought you were making a wry observation about faith. So, if I understand your question properly, you are asking by what “method” the core of belief is supposed to be made? Am I correct in my interpretation?

    If so, then I still have to go back to my first post. Namely, that there ISN’T a “method” to determine a core set of beliefs by which everyone can universally operate. If there were, then life would be a simple set of instructions and we could boil human interaction down to those instructions and we would all be in harmony on all things.

    This is why I spoke so much about faith. Without it, life would be a scientific formula and we would function as nothing more than creatures driven by pure instinct. Our wills would be pre-programmed and nothing would ever be accomplished outside the parameters of our programming. For me, just the fact that we HAVE free will is a proof that we are not “just another animal” AND, if we aren’t just another animal, then there is something special about us.

    All I can say then to your question is that it naturally leads me to discuss faith. And when I discuss faith, I conclude that faith isn’t about WHAT, it is about WHO.

    Do you see why I said what I did?

  • Doug

    Sabio,
    I think you got Steve confused with me. That’s fine. We are both great writers! :)

    Anyway, I am sorry if I am not answering your question. I didn’t realize it was a question. I thought you were making a wry observation about faith. So, if I understand your question properly, you are asking by what “method” the core of belief is supposed to be made? Am I correct in my interpretation?

    If so, then I still have to go back to my first post. Namely, that there ISN’T a “method” to determine a core set of beliefs by which everyone can universally operate. If there were, then life would be a simple set of instructions and we could boil human interaction down to those instructions and we would all be in harmony on all things.

    This is why I spoke so much about faith. Without it, life would be a scientific formula and we would function as nothing more than creatures driven by pure instinct. Our wills would be pre-programmed and nothing would ever be accomplished outside the parameters of our programming. For me, just the fact that we HAVE free will is a proof that we are not “just another animal” AND, if we aren’t just another animal, then there is something special about us.

    All I can say then to your question is that it naturally leads me to discuss faith. And when I discuss faith, I conclude that faith isn’t about WHAT, it is about WHO.

    Do you see why I said what I did?

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com/ Sabio Lantz

    Well, Doug, you are right, I got confused. My question was to Steve, not you. I will await his answer. I am pretty sure I know where you are coming from.
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com Sabio Lantz

    Well, Doug, you are right, I got confused. My question was to Steve, not you. I will await his answer. I am pretty sure I know where you are coming from.
    .-= Sabio Lantz´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • http://undeception.com/ Steve

    Sabio,

    what method, then, do you decide what the “core” is?

    The core is what I see as the undercurrent of Scripture from Abraham through Paul: maintaining a relationship with YHWH. The core of Christianity, affirmed in Scripture and in church history (as inconclusive as either is of themselves) is that Jesus plays an important role in that, whether it’s in enabling our reconciliation (as the more traditional say) or merely showing us the way (as the more liberal say). That is the core. Remember, I have declared many times that specific theologies of how all this works are very much up for grabs, and there is no clear consensus, much less a definitive proof, for any of them.

    I could be wrong in what I think the core is, but I’d say that’s a pretty modest and defensible start, is it not?

  • http://undeception.com Steve

    Sabio,

    what method, then, do you decide what the “core” is?

    The core is what I see as the undercurrent of Scripture from Abraham through Paul: maintaining a relationship with YHWH. The core of Christianity, affirmed in Scripture and in church history (as inconclusive as either is of themselves) is that Jesus plays an important role in that, whether it’s in enabling our reconciliation (as the more traditional say) or merely showing us the way (as the more liberal say). That is the core. Remember, I have declared many times that specific theologies of how all this works are very much up for grabs, and there is no clear consensus, much less a definitive proof, for any of them.

    I could be wrong in what I think the core is, but I’d say that’s a pretty modest and defensible start, is it not?

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com/ Sabio

    @ Steve

    Yes, good answer, thank you.
    So allow me to distill for clarification purposes:

    Core of Christianity

    1) Belief in yhwh
    2) Relationship with yhwh
    3) Jesus helps relationship with yhwh

    You believe these things not based on evidence of things you have seen or experienced, but because you believe what others have written about these topics.

    I know one would like to have all sorts of caveates and “nuances” added to their beliefs, But I thought you’d be sympathetic with my attempt at simple clarity to facilitate dialogue. Remember, I am asking about STEVE, not about all the variety of Christians out there. So, in light of that, is that accurate?

    BTW, I deeply admire your humilty, openness and straightforward nature. (not to mention, you are smart !)
    .-= Sabio´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.

  • http://triangulations.wordpress.com Sabio

    @ Steve

    Yes, good answer, thank you.
    So allow me to distill for clarification purposes:

    Core of Christianity

    1) Belief in yhwh
    2) Relationship with yhwh
    3) Jesus helps relationship with yhwh

    You believe these things not based on evidence of things you have seen or experienced, but because you believe what others have written about these topics.

    I know one would like to have all sorts of caveates and “nuances” added to their beliefs, But I thought you’d be sympathetic with my attempt at simple clarity to facilitate dialogue. Remember, I am asking about STEVE, not about all the variety of Christians out there. So, in light of that, is that accurate?

    BTW, I deeply admire your humilty, openness and straightforward nature. (not to mention, you are smart !)
    .-= Sabio´s last blog ..Re-writing history with head nods =-.