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Comment on Climate science and evolutionary science by Luke Holzmann

Luke Holzmann — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:03:10 +0000

Very interesting–and important–analysis here. I like it.

I will admit I was initially put off by your claim that “We need to let our understanding of the the history of science influence our understanding of the text of Scripture.” But upon further reflection, I realize you're right: We do need to let our understanding of the world through science influence how we understand Scripture. My problem was assuming–quite wrongly–that you meant that science was the only/primary method for considering Scripture.

~Luke

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Comment on Social justice and the state by John William Brandkamp

John William Brandkamp — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:07:12 +0000

As a thoroughgoing Augustinian I firmly believe that every human institution is corrupted at a basic level, whether governmental or private, at both the individual level as well as the collective level. I often half jokingly say that both the left and the right are partially Augustinian and partially Pelagian.You only have to reverse their views and you get the mirror opposite. The left believes in the inherent goodness of governmental action, but the utter depravity of any privately owned business entity. And of course the right is the exact opposite in their argument, and yet identical in their basic thinking. In effect they're both guilty of ideological idolatry, or as I like to call it ideolatry. Speaking of which, I need to finally get busy in writing that article. I may not agree with some of your conclusions, but I do appreciate your stimulating this important conversation.

Comment on Climate science and evolutionary science by Arcamaede

Arcamaede — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:45:52 +0000

Jonathan,

As a guiding force for moral issues, the text would influence our decision making process with regard to what we know about the Science. The text cannot and should not guide the Science itself. The reactions I see to environmental issues have the Science being steered by the text.

A

Comment on Climate science and evolutionary science by jonathanrobinson

jonathanrobinson — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:41:39 +0000

A good post on the whole, thanks.
but, you do write,
“The Bible says zero about environmental issues. Any attempt to make it say anything is anachronistic. “
Which is an unhelpful assertion, the Bible does not treat the environment as an independent entity but it does treat “the land” as as being of significance theologically, stewardship, and generational legacy, and it most certainly treats justice and protection of the poor and marginalised. It is the poor and marginalised of our world who are bearing the brunt of climate change, deforestation, pollution, etc. Environmenatalism does not have to be driven by a concern for “mother earth” it can equally be driven by a concern for those who live in that environment. This of course does not dictate which way the climate is changing, what way it is changing, what is causing the change, or if it is changing at all, but it does mean the Bible demands our interest in environmental issues and gives us principles to approach the attendent issues.